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Title: Retro vs modern console's
Post by: DEADDOLL666 on May 04, 2011, 14:53:54 PM
I was thinking earlier about how you can still pick up a nes,snes,master system,atari etc and they will still work and you'll be able to play on them for hours with no problems.But in 15+years what's the chance of finding a xbox 360 or a ps3 that is still in good working condition.
I think console developers need to look back and think about how a console back then was a console and that was it.Fair enought online gaming is a brilliant idea and make gaming more fun but do we really need them to play dvd's and do other home media things.
I never use my 360 to listen to music or watch dvd's and same with my ps3 (apart from the odd blu-ray) as i know doing it will shorten the life of the console due to over heating.
Title: Retro vs modern console's
Post by: zapiy on May 04, 2011, 15:42:30 PM
That's a good point fella and I am probably like you. I use my PS3 & Xbox for gaming 99% of the time. Again like you, it's for the long term surveil of the system thats in my mind. But I look at what i have done to some of my old systems over the years and they still work.
Title: Re: Retro vs modern console's
Post by: Anonymous on May 04, 2011, 18:21:45 PM
I definatly agree! I said this before- but it's got to be because of all the stuffs they put into new consoles there's just more that can go wrong with them really! But to be honest in 15 years time I can't honestly say if I'd want to buy a 360 ( partly because they don't interest me now) they just don't have the same charm about them as current day retro! To me most games which are released now I wouldent dub a classic! This could be because of my age I suppose the retro ad we know it have connotations to our childhoods and youth that's probs why I find retro of today so enchanting! I do however see both consoles becoming a classic in the future especially the 360! I just feel sorry for younger people who when they get older and start wanting to get back into retro and want to buy 360s and ps3 there just won't be any! Quite sad really!
I think DS and possibly the WII standing the test of time which once again means nitendo win :D :p
Give me a SNES or sega master system over a ps3 and 360 any day!
Title: Re: Retro vs modern console's
Post by: DEADDOLL666 on May 05, 2011, 00:23:28 AM
The other main thing about retro console's is most are cartridge based systems and they were pretty indestructible.If it did'nt load just a quick dust off by blowing along the base and it'd load.where as disk type media has scratch issues and burnt out or dusty laser's.
There must be a way of reinventing the cartridge as you can get 16gb+ pen drive's also i think it would cause less heat damage to a console as it would use less power to read from them.
Also i can see myself in 15 years striking back up the ps3 or 360  as it's not just the console that become's a retro obsession but the game's that you remember playing.
like nes/snes with mario.sega with sonic and i think game's like halo,gta,metal gear solid will be something that you'll always want to go back and have a play on.
Title: Re: Retro vs modern console's
Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2011, 09:08:44 AM
Personally is run a mile from those games! But I can certainly see otter people wanting to play halo in a fair few years time! But part of the reason I love retro games is because of the fact it's 2d and how cartoon like pixely some of these games are the strange obscure sounds which come from them! It's apart of the charm and it honestly reminds me of being a kid and it does act as an escape from reality and to me that's what video gaming is about! It's great that the gaming is advancing nicely and the graphics and sound quality etc is becoming realistic BUT to me I I wanted that'll watch a film I just don't get as into it! There's not the same charm to me! Think that's why I really like nitendo it still maintains the child like qualities to it!
I agree that the USB would be a better choice of medium rather than CD ! I dont know why they haven't considered it as part of the development of consoles? It would not only benifit the preservation of consoles and the games but it would also be a space saver which is major issue with most house holds these days! But there is a risk as there is with all things but less than a cd!
Title: Re: Retro vs modern console's
Post by: zapiy on May 05, 2011, 13:13:03 PM
I think usb access times and the nature of them getting corrupt it not taken out properly has something to do we it, having said that I have heard a rumour that the wii2 will be SSD or some other form of cartridge type memory. 
Title: Re: Retro vs modern console's
Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2011, 15:06:07 PM
That will be interesting to see if they do use it and how the will develop!
Title: Re: Retro vs modern console's
Post by: Anonymous on May 06, 2011, 21:22:48 PM
Very true , mabye , we need to go back to carts :) That would b awesome for retro gamers! But it would have to be new advanced carts.
Title: Retro vs modern console's
Post by: zapiy on May 06, 2011, 23:49:55 PM
Yeah I look forward to finding out either way. But as you say they need to be much more advanced mainly size wise i guess.
Title: Re: Retro vs modern console's
Post by: DEADDOLL666 on May 07, 2011, 01:38:11 AM
i think the only thing about going back to cartridges is the cost.
Game's cost £30-£45 for a disk which probley would cost's them about 10p(most likely less)
and i would say it would cost them alot more for them to make a cartridge for each game.
So the price's would go up for us to buy a game.
Title: Re: Retro vs modern console's
Post by: Anonymous on May 07, 2011, 08:15:01 AM
I don't think size would be an issue though if like dd said about using USB sticks or something Like that possibly? I don't think USB really costs that much to make! As you know when you buy a game a majority of the money is going to the production - data writing onto the cd the team which made the game packaging and tax and ofcourse store profit along with game companies profit!
Title: Re: Retro vs modern console's
Post by: Anonymous on May 07, 2011, 19:14:35 PM
I have to disagree. Failure rates have nothing to do with disc vs carts...
Neither does stuff like online, or DVD playback affect the console,
Only games utilize the full power of modern consoles, and the e problem is the more advances the CPU and GPU are, the hotter they get, which means adding fans, and the unfortunate truth is affordable effective cooling isn't advancing as fast as processing technologies. Also my Xbox 360 is fine, as long as you don't let it get too dustly or leave it turned on somewhere with no ventilation they are pretty Hardy consoles....
I'd use more detail but on my phone right now xD
Title: Re: Retro vs modern console's
Post by: Anonymous on May 07, 2011, 20:05:53 PM
No we were just saying that the cd is bad for the preservation of games not the consoles because they are more likely to get scratched x
Title: Re: Retro vs modern console's
Post by: Anonymous on May 08, 2011, 10:56:17 AM
Quote from: "greenpixie"
I definatly agree! I said this before- but it's got to be because of all the stuffs they put into new consoles there's just more that can go wrong with them really!

looks like you mean extra stuff - as in dvd playback, BR playback and online features etcetc.

and discs dont get scratched that easily if you're careful,
saying that, many many people bring games into the shop that look like they've been dragged behind the car on the way here!

Anything other than disc is very costly in comparison, the cost will get passed onto the consumer, or the devs won't develop games...

Digital distributions an alternative, but hopefully won't ever replace physical media.
(also - xbox 360's and ps3's both allow installation of the game to a Harddrive. the disc needs to be in the tray to play the game, but it just reads it to make sure you own the game, and then the disc doesnt move [based on my experience installing stuff like mass effect to HDD)
Title: Re: Retro vs modern console's
Post by: Anonymous on May 08, 2011, 21:40:51 PM
Quote from: "TomWantsRez"
Quote from: "greenpixie"
I definatly agree! I said this before- but it's got to be because of all the stuffs they put into new consoles there's just more that can go wrong with them really!


and discs dont get scratched that easily if you're careful,
saying that, many many people bring games into the shop that look like they've been dragged behind the car on the way here!


HAHAHA thats exactally it! I am shocked at the state some people manage to get their disks into, I am so presiouse with my stuff I hate the thaught of not looking after things, and honestly cannot phantom how people manage it!
Unfortunatly not everyone is as careful with looking after their games as some!
Title: Re: Retro vs modern console's
Post by: Anonymous on May 11, 2011, 19:36:52 PM
I wouldn't say im careful though, i just put them back into the box.
although if its a game that loads a lot (ie Mass Effect, La Noire soon :)) or one that i play a lot (Halo, Battlefield) i install it to my HDD just to speed it up a little and quieten it down.

and RE: the comment about costs, the cost of flash stoarge would be passed down to us - the consumer, because they have to have such a high contribution on the cost of producing the discs to make a profit on years of development...

i think discs are fine all in all, but more games should encourage installing to a hardrive. especially multi disc games! La Noire is on 3 discs, but you woud have to install all 3 discs and swap them when the console asks you too...
Title: Re: Retro vs modern console's
Post by: DEADDOLL666 on May 17, 2011, 16:31:38 PM
I've just got a slim 360 so it's alot more quiter and more reliable.Also with the bigger HDD now i can save all my games to it :D
Title: Re: Retro vs modern console's
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2011, 19:37:29 PM
Haha i really want a slim, MS are rolling out a new type of security on the discs which frees up 1gb of space for games, and some old consoles wont read it.
if you have a console that doesnt read it, they will send you a 250gb slim!
Title: Re: Retro vs modern console's
Post by: DEADDOLL666 on May 18, 2011, 22:57:40 PM
yeah i read that earlier on mvg (another site zapiy run's www.maturevideogamer.co.uk (http://http) for people 18+ that want to play game's for fun and not have annoying kid's shouting all the time).but then another report came out from microsoft saying
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Those hoping the upcoming new Xbox 360 firmware will bork your console and thus qualify you for a shiny new one could be out of luck.

Microsoft has told Eurogamer this evening that the disc read error reported by users has nothing to do with the new firmware.

Instead, the problem is tied to an already released software update that changed the way your Xbox 360 reads discs.

In other words, if your console isn't already borked, you don't qualify.

"This issue is unrelated to the upcoming release that has been in public beta," Microsoft said.

"Additionally, this disc read error message is tied to a change in the disc reading algorithms in a recent software update and is not specific to older or newer versions of Xbox 360."

This morning Microsoft confirmed it was aware of 'disc unreadable' or 'disc unsupported' errors that were preventing "a very small number of Xbox 360 owners from playing retail game discs".

"We are also able to detect this issue over Xbox Live and are proactively reaching out to customers that may be impacted to replace their console," Microsoft said.

The new Xbox 360 firmware is rolled out from tomorrow.
Title: Re: Retro vs modern console's
Post by: TL on February 24, 2012, 00:19:50 AM
Cartridges will always be better than CD's.

The Atari Jaguar was the last great cartridge system  :'(
Title: Re: Retro vs modern console's
Post by: dot.fyre on March 04, 2012, 15:43:47 PM
Another vote for cartridge based systems here.
As for the cost, I can buy an 8GB sd card for £5.
To a major games manufacturer who'd be buying hundreds of thousands (millions?) this
cost would be massively reduced.
Regarding slow read times, they could come up with a system that compensates that very easily.

Let's not forget the DS survived easily enough on carts.
Title: Re: Retro vs modern console's
Post by: CeefaxOfDelphi on March 04, 2012, 15:59:56 PM
I always want something physical for my money - the few downloaded games I did buy I lost when I change PC etc - it just makes games disposable and less important.  It's OK to download Tiny Wings - but for COD or MASS EFFECT I want a case and disc.
Title: Re: Retro vs modern console's
Post by: TL on April 14, 2012, 18:47:52 PM
I added a poll to this  :D
Title: Re: Retro vs modern console's
Post by: Minerals on April 14, 2012, 19:09:45 PM
I will always love playing retro games to relive great memories and also because i enjoy playing good games. The simplicity of old games can have real appeal and replayability, especially for quick casual game. But i also enjoy alot of newer games, but not all. The modern FPS titles bore me to tears, but i do really enjoy the more open world, sandbox games like Assassins Creed and Fallout and i will always continue to play the PES and WWE games. Also a lot of retro remakes and retro inspired modern games really add something new to the gameplay.

The modern games of today will be the retro games of tomorrow and real standout good games will always be timeless. So i will always continue to want to play good new games.
Title: Re: Retro vs modern console's
Post by: zapiy on April 17, 2012, 20:34:37 PM
Agreed.. I simply love being part of both..
Title: Re: Retro vs modern console's
Post by: TL on May 22, 2012, 20:52:41 PM
I suppose the result of this poll isn't really a surprise given that this is a retro forum.