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Title: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: TL on September 13, 2013, 20:58:44 PM
So everybody what are your most crushing disappointments in gaming?

That game you waited forever for that turned out to be shit, that ending that ruined it all, the console that failed to live up to expectation . . . .

Anything really!

This bloody horrible game gets my first vote, I remember rushing out to buy this at Silica shop on the strength of the Double Dragon name only to find out that I had basically just thrown £55 in the bin¬† :14:

Playthrough : Atari Jaguar - Double Dragon V (http://http)
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: DreamcastRIP on September 13, 2013, 21:47:24 PM
The day Sega quit as a videogame console manufacturer.
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: TrekMD on September 13, 2013, 21:48:02 PM
Well, I'll post the two most obvious ones for me (and many other people):

[align=center:2ifj1c02]Pac-Man for the Atari 2600 (http://http)

Atari 2600 Donkey Kong (http://http)[/align:2ifj1c02]

I remember early wanting these games and being disappointed at how different from the arcade they were.  I still played them anyhow.
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: TL on September 14, 2013, 20:16:48 PM
Here is another one of mine (and along the same theme as my last pick) the Spectrum version of Double Dragon!

I completed this game in the arcades with my brother several times back in the day so was really excited when I saw it was coming to the good old Speccy. Shame it was an utter crap conversion with horrid graphics, hardly any sound and zero enhancements on a 128k machine (so it was also missing the stunning soundtrack too  :20:)

[align=center:1vwgrc4v]Double Dragon Walkthrough, ZX Spectrum (http://http)[/align:1vwgrc4v]
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: TrekMD on September 14, 2013, 20:44:10 PM
Here's another disappointment for me.  Burger Time on the Atari 2600.  I'd love to see someone redo this game for the system.

[align=center:2pxstnxw]Atari 2600 Burger Time (http://http)[/align:2pxstnxw]
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: Crusto on September 14, 2013, 21:26:19 PM
Playing the pure shit that was nemesis for the fist time on my CPC.
Playing Double Dragon on the SMS, could have been way better - see R-Type.
Playing Outrun on the CPC, nothing more than a sick joke. Again could have done so much better - see Chase HQ
Discovering the awesome conversion of renegade for the CPC, the discovering the shit control method.

I could go on forever lol.
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: onthinice on September 15, 2013, 17:38:16 PM
Loving Double Dragon II on the Nes and buying Double Dragon III. DD III was no improvement. Guess bigger DD's only works with women. :4:
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: DreamcastRIP on September 15, 2013, 19:43:01 PM
Quote from: "onthinice"
Loving Double Dragon II on the Nes and buying Double Dragon III. DD III was no improvement. Guess bigger DD's only works with women. :4:

Well, 'DD' was an epic fail for Nintendo too, lol.

(http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090418194633/nintendo/en/images/5/59/64DD.jpg)
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: onthinice on September 15, 2013, 23:01:40 PM
Good call DC. Forgot about it. I do like the look.
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: 64bitRuss on September 16, 2013, 01:18:32 AM
I'm with the DDV vote too. I went to Electronics Boutique in 1995 I think, to buy a Jag game. I bought DDV blind, this was pre-internet you know, because I thought it was going to be a traditional Double Dragon  game. When I booted it up, I wasn't thrilled to find out it was a Street Fighter style game, and I was even less thrilled when the gameplay just sucked so horribly. My whole drive home I was thinking how great it was going to be to play a new Double Dragon game on the Jaguar. Seriously, I didn't even look at it too hard at the store, I just saw 'Double Dragon V' on the box and bought it, remembering how great the series was. One of my dumber impulse buys in video games.
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: sloan on September 17, 2013, 00:12:55 AM
I must have been easy to please because I never had any issues with Donkey Kong, Burger Time, or Pac Man on VCS. In fact, DK and Burger Time saw plenty of hours logged.
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: TrekMD on September 17, 2013, 00:27:56 AM
Quote from: "sloan"
I must have been easy to please because I never had any issues with Donkey Kong, Burger Time, or Pac Man on VCS. In fact, DK and Burger Time saw plenty of hours logged.

I was very disappointed with the three of them but both DK and BT got a lot of hours of play.  Pac-Man, on the other hand, I hated and I still refuse to play it to this day.  Today there is no need to play that version given the fantastic homebrew versions available.
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: 64bitRuss on September 17, 2013, 01:49:57 AM
VCS Pac-Man and DK still played good, that's why they never bothered me. To me, 2600 Defender was a big letdown, but it still played kind of OK. I don't think I was ever overhyped about a 2600 game though, I was just happy to be playing video games at home! I even found plenty of great gaming hours with E.T. back then.
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: Bobinator on September 17, 2013, 02:04:37 AM
A long while back, I had bought a 3DO, because I had stumbled upon a guide for Way of the Warrior. This guide basically made it sound like the best game ever, so I bought a 3DO off of EBay for $40. To nobody's surprise, it was basically NOT the best game ever. I mean, I still got the console out of it, but... well, this is one of the many reasons I emulate more and more. Oh, if you're curious, here's the guide (http://http), Maybe I should have noticed it was from 1994.
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: onthinice on September 21, 2013, 01:35:19 AM
Speaking of E.T., anyone ever see the episode of Rambo on Robot Chicken? Rambo is being tortured and one of his captors was playing E.T., making him watch! :24:
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: TrekMD on September 21, 2013, 01:51:02 AM
Quote from: "onthinice"
Speaking of E.T., anyone ever see the episode of Rambo on Robot Chicken? Rambo is being tortured and one of his captors was playing E.T., making him watch! :21:
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: davyk on September 22, 2013, 21:29:50 PM
Defender on 2600 was a huge disappointment for me too.. however I did clock serious hours up on it as it played OK once you adjusted to its limitations.
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: TrekMD on September 22, 2013, 22:00:42 PM
Quote from: "davyK"


Defender on 2600 was a huge disappointment for me too.. however I did clock serious hours up on it as it played OK once you adjusted to its limitations.
Yes, the original Defender on the 2600 was a disappointment to me as well.  Thankfully, Atari did a superb job when they adapted Stargate/Defender II! 
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: DZ-Jay on September 22, 2013, 22:05:43 PM
I must say, my biggest disappointment was the Coleco Donkey Kong for the Intellivision.
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: TrekMD on September 22, 2013, 22:16:16 PM
Quote from: "DZ-Jay"
I must say, my biggest disappointment was the Coleco Donkey Kong for the Intellivision.

Yep, I can see that!  That's one awful port!
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: sloan on September 23, 2013, 03:26:09 AM
Quote from: "TrekMD"
Quote from: "sloan"
I must have been easy to please because I never had any issues with Donkey Kong, Burger Time, or Pac Man on VCS. In fact, DK and Burger Time saw plenty of hours logged.

I was very disappointed with the three of them but both DK and BT got a lot of hours of play.  Pac-Man, on the other hand, I hated and I still refuse to play it to this day.  Today there is no need to play that version given the fantastic homebrew versions available.

I guess I never had any grand expectations for VCS games. I was an avid arcade player back then and just knew that the arcade versions would always be head and shoulders above any home ports. Even with only two screens, I was just thankful to be able to play DK on my home TV screen. Can't say I was ever a big fan of Pac Man at the arcade, but did play the home port with some regularity and do not remember thinking I was somehow shorted on the VCS version.
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: onthinice on September 23, 2013, 10:21:48 AM
I liked DK and BurgerTime on the VCS. Playing K.C. Munchkin on the Odyssey 2 before Pac-Man made me feel it was the better version. I still wanted to own the official 2600 title, even if it was not arcade perfect.

Threshold on the 2600 was my favorite Phoenix clone as a kid. As a grownup it sure disappoints!
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: slacey1070 on September 23, 2013, 13:14:16 PM
I'll get back to you on retro disappointments... however, modern gaming disappointments would be..

BF3 - 360 - I pre-ordered, the first time I have ever done that. Rush home from work to see it waiting for me. rip it open. Insert disc - download the massive day one patch (when I had slow sky broadband).... and couldn't wait to play. What I found was a game that had all the BC2 fun taken out of it. Gloomy graphics, CoD style gameplay, CoD players (complete with abuse over the mic), then rent a server (being banned for being better than the owner, being banned for kicking ass), the lack of squad play.... The "premium" game... yuck... just horrible. I tried it again this weekend and it had got better, the CoD gang had gone at least - but all they needed to do was build on BC2....

And another

XB1 - I love my 360. Had so much fun with it. Then MS believed their own hype and started deciding that they decided what gamers wanted and not the gamers themselves. Every annoucement it got worse and worse, until embarrassment forced MS to backdown... although the arrogance still drips through... forcing hopeless ideas on gamers, like the Kinect... and charging them £50 for it....when even MS doesn't know what its for. And £450? Really?... and all this led to rabid fanboyism...yuck.
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: slacey1070 on September 23, 2013, 13:30:20 PM
ah, apologies... just noticed this was in "retro" section! Whilst I stand by my last post...

Mercenary... C64... Now, I'm more than happy to accept that this is probably more to do with me than the game. I remember reading a preview for this in C&VG (the one with Bond and Grace Jones on the cover from a View to A Kill) - I was AMAZED by it. It looked amazing and sounded even better... every week I'd visit The Micro Shop hoping it was out and asking when it was coming. Months went by. I got a Saturday job there. Then one day I turned up for work on Saturday and it was OUT!!! I couldn't wait to play it.... and then I worked out I'd never get very far with it and I couldn't work out what the hell was going on.... I'm still sad about it.
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: Rogue Trooper on September 23, 2013, 14:26:45 PM
Quote from: "slacey1070"
I'll get back to you on retro disappointments... however, modern gaming disappointments would be..

BF3 - 360 - I pre-ordered, the first time I have ever done that. Rush home from work to see it waiting for me. rip it open. Insert disc - download the massive day one patch (when I had slow sky broadband).... and couldn't wait to play. What I found was a game that had all the BC2 fun taken out of it. Gloomy graphics, CoD style gameplay, CoD players (complete with abuse over the mic), then rent a server (being banned for being better than the owner, being banned for kicking ass), the lack of squad play.... The "premium" game... yuck... just horrible. I tried it again this weekend and it had got better, the CoD gang had gone at least - but all they needed to do was build on BC2....

And another

XB1 - I love my 360. Had so much fun with it. Then MS believed their own hype and started deciding that they decided what gamers wanted and not the gamers themselves. Every annoucement it got worse and worse, until embarrassment forced MS to backdown... although the arrogance still drips through... forcing hopeless ideas on gamers, like the Kinect... and charging them £50 for it....when even MS doesn't know what its for. And £450? Really?... and all this led to rabid fanboyism...yuck.

Amen to all the above.Loved BF:BC+BCII, gutted when series seemed to have been put out to pasture.

As for 360....i loved the 'Blades' dashboard and would have welcomed the option to keep that, just have the extra's i wanted added to it with the updates (ability to instal disc to HDD) i def.did not want this Avatar shite, nor the adverts.....

Sony just as bad, no, worse....i did not ask for the Singstar icon on my dashboard, i cannot remove it, but nothing was so frustrating as being forced to slowly download a patch for games you'd bought that Sony had now decided to add Move+3DTV support to...


Fantastic idea, if you owned either or both of the above, sure it added to the games, but they should have been optional and those of us without either, should have been able to skip them.



MS again:Canning 360 Freelancer sequel, utter b*stards!.
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: Rogue Trooper on September 23, 2013, 14:29:00 PM
Quote from: "slacey1070"
ah, apologies... just noticed this was in "retro" section! Whilst I stand by my last post...

Mercenary... C64... Now, I'm more than happy to accept that this is probably more to do with me than the game. I remember reading a preview for this in C&VG (the one with Bond and Grace Jones on the cover from a View to A Kill) - I was AMAZED by it. It looked amazing and sounded even better... every week I'd visit The Micro Shop hoping it was out and asking when it was coming. Months went by. I got a Saturday job there. Then one day I turned up for work on Saturday and it was OUT!!! I couldn't wait to play it.... and then I worked out I'd never get very far with it and I couldn't work out what the hell was going on.... I'm still sad about it.

A game i'd read a lot about during my Atari 800XL owning days, could never get into, tried again on C64, nope....

A very clever game for sure, but just not my thing.


Can't say i was dissapointed, more confused...like yourself it seemed hellva struggle to figure out wtf you were supposed to be doing.
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: slacey1070 on September 23, 2013, 15:14:44 PM
I was disappointed with Mercenary because, in my head, I'd built it RIGHT up to be something it could never, ever be....

But as you say, amazingly clever... and years ahead of its time.
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: Rogue Trooper on September 23, 2013, 15:43:44 PM
Quote from: "slacey1070"
I was disappointed with Mercenary because, in my head, I'd built it RIGHT up to be something it could never, ever be....

But as you say, amazingly clever... and years ahead of its time.

Edge did a superb Making Of....on the game.

Would love to get it up on here, but don't think publisher would be too happy.
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: slacey1070 on September 23, 2013, 15:55:41 PM
Pity I missed that - bet its an interesting game... that was one clever programmer
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: Rogue Trooper on September 23, 2013, 18:43:02 PM
Re:2600 Pac-Man:

I've read in past, Todd Frye (coder of said game) 'defending it, basically saying it was developed on a 4K Rom by himself in just in 5 months, where as Ms Pac-Man was done by  a 3-man team, on an 8K Rom in 6 months and the $K Rom was the problem, his version had a 2-Player mode which ate into what little memory there was and after the release of Pac-Man, Atari set the rule that every new game needed to have an 8K Rom.

He also said that when he started coding Pac-Man, not only were 8K Rom's not avaiable, but Pac-Man was'nt a particularly big game, 'Pac-Man Fever' hit sometime between start and finish of his conversion.

He said he made the best decisions he could based on the technology avaiable at the time, but had he started coding 6 months later, he'd have done things differently.
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: TrekMD on September 23, 2013, 20:52:00 PM
Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"
Re:2600 Pac-Man:

I've read in past, Todd Frye (coder of said game) 'defending it, basically saying it was developed on a 4K Rom by himself in just in 5 months, where as Ms Pac-Man was done by  a 3-man team, on an 8K Rom in 6 months and the $K Rom was the problem, his version had a 2-Player mode which ate into what little memory there was and after the release of Pac-Man, Atari set the rule that every new game needed to have an 8K Rom.

He also said that when he started coding Pac-Man, not only were 8K Rom's not avaiable, but Pac-Man was'nt a particularly big game, 'Pac-Man Fever' hit sometime between start and finish of his conversion.

He said he made the best decisions he could based on the technology avaiable at the time, but had he started coding 6 months later, he'd have done things differently.

Yep, always heard this.  Also that he had only presented the game as a "draft" to Atari management but they wanted the game out as it was to generate sales ASAP.  Techniques have changed over the years but, clearly, 4K could have been enough to make a better game even back then.  That's why this version was written within the 4K limitation:

[align=center:1dck2r0d]Pac-Man 4K [Atari 2600] -- Nice and Games (http://http)[/align:1dck2r0d]
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: T2KFreeker on September 23, 2013, 21:16:19 PM
Wow, a few here that were good, so I'll hit a couple here that might make people remember some sadness.

The Sega 32X failing- Yuppers, I actually really liked the system. I still think it has the best version of the original Virtua Fighter and many of the games on the system were exclusive to it. Sadly, right after the thing was released, Sega announced the Saturn and confused people who were already confused wiht the business direction Sega was going since the release of the Sega CD system.

Matsushita Cancelling the M2 - Yes, I was, and still am, a HUGE 3DO fan. The system was very much ahead of it's time, and really missed out due to some really bad business decisions. Had the money machine really gotten behind it and the launch price had been about $400.00 cheaper, perhaps it would have done much better than it did. Keeping o0ut of all of that, the reason I brought that up is that when Matsushita decided to stop production of the 3DO system itself after purchasing the technology of it and the follow up system the M2 from 3DO, the system had actually started to sell much better. The price cut had done wonders for the system and by that time it's not like Matsushita, the parent company of Panasonic, was losing money on it. E3 time, due to the hype machine that was the Playstation, when Matsushita saw that both Sega and Nintendo were struggling to compete with Sony at the show, they threw the hat in, cancelling the M2 machine as a gaming console. The saddest thing about this was gaming magazines and the like claiming that the M2 was only Marginally better looking than the Playstation, graphics wise, but anyone who took the real time to look at the games that were demoed for the system, you know it was a lie as the M2 looked more like a MUCH cleaner and much faster N64, graphics wise. That's the closest I can think to describe them because they looked better than the N64 even.
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: Rogue Trooper on September 23, 2013, 21:34:30 PM
To be completely fair though after those faked demo's, Matsuhita really did'nt help themselves did they.They went into a P.R mode Sony would have been proud of, when it came to over-claiming just how powerful M2 was.

Claims that it was nearly as powerful as Sega's Model 3 Arcade technology (so around 10X the power of the N64) were always going to result in them creating a rod for their own back.

In reality, M2 was very good, powerful hardware for the time, looking at around 2-3 times the polygon power of the N64 and overall graphical performance edging slightly over that of the 3DFX Voodoo 1 graphics card, so not to be sniffed at.

D2 as it was on M2 always looked interesting (DC version re-written) and did'nt a planned beat-em-up turn up elsewhere?
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: Rogue Trooper on September 23, 2013, 21:52:23 PM
Iron And Blood was what i was thinking of....

Apparently, some claim other than D2 intro etc and that IMSA Racing Game footage, all other M2 'footage' (game or tech.demo) , was all pre-rendered on a Silicon Graphics Machine using Alias/Wavefront software.

So i guess if you play the media, best be prepared for the media to play right back.....
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: T2KFreeker on September 23, 2013, 22:10:39 PM
Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"
Iron And Blood was what i was thinking of....

Apparently, some claim other than D2 intro etc and that IMSA Racing Game footage, all other M2 'footage' (game or tech.demo) , was all pre-rendered on a Silicon Graphics Machine using Alias/Wavefront software.

So i guess if you play the media, best be prepared for the media to play right back.....

Like I said, all I know is that I really wanted to see what this sucker could do. I know that the game play footage that has indeed surfaced of D2 over the years looks amazing for it.s time. Just too bad that Sony had such a foothold on the industry that we never got to see it. Also, yeah, D2 was awesoem on the Dreamcast. Too bad it's totally different than what the M2 version was supposed to be.
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: Rogue Trooper on September 23, 2013, 22:27:56 PM
Well, we do have the 4 coin-op's Konami produced which were based on the M2 technology:

Polystars, Hell Night, Total Vice and Battle Tyrst.

Plus WARP's Keji Eno said Dreamcast was around 3-4X more powerful than M2 and having worked on both, he should know, so we can kinda guess what sort of real time performance machine would have been capable of.

Way better than PS1+N64 and slightly better in areas than PC with 3DFX graphics card sounds reasonable.
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: TL on September 29, 2013, 12:39:12 PM
A few little ones of mine:

Pit-Fighter on the Lynx - No speech or intros for the fighters.

Mercs on the Mega Drive - No two-player mode.

Sensible Soccer on the Jaguar - No ability to save edited teams.

But that said these were all excellent games even with these minor disappointments.
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: davyk on September 29, 2013, 19:21:20 PM
Some talk of 2600 Pacman in this thread - I heard that what Todd Frye put together was just a rough cut first try that was thrown together to prove it could be done - and management saw it and said, "That's it!".....

it sold pretty well from what I remember so maybe they had a point!!! They poisoned the well long term of course - and must have played a role in the crash (not to mention the management greed that no doubt saw plenty of crap stuff out the door without a care for quality)....but I have read plenty of posts in retro forums from people with fond memories of it.

I wasn't a big fan of the game at the time (I have since become to think very highly of it though) so while I though it was dodgy it wasn't the crushing disappointment to me that it was to others. Ms Pacman and Pacman Jr are great though - as are the various home-brews - but those homebrew devs, while very skilled,  have the benefit of decades of technique development to fall back on - poor old Todd!!
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: DreamcastRIP on September 29, 2013, 20:38:09 PM
Quote from: "davyK"
...Ms Pacman and Pacman Jr are great though - as are the various home-brews - but those homebrew devs, while very skilled,  have the benefit of decades of technique development to fall back on - poor old Todd!!

Plus, iirc, in Marty and Curt's Atari book it states that Atari wouldn't let Todd use a cartridge with the additional memory capacity that Ms. Pac-Man subsequently used and that the decision played a significant part in for why Pac-Man was the way it was on the 2600.
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: Rogue Trooper on September 29, 2013, 21:38:38 PM
Quote from: "DreamcastRIP"
Quote from: "davyK"
...Ms Pacman and Pacman Jr are great though - as are the various home-brews - but those homebrew devs, while very skilled,  have the benefit of decades of technique development to fall back on - poor old Todd!!

Plus, iirc, in Marty and Curt's Atari book it states that Atari wouldn't let Todd use a cartridge with the additional memory capacity that Ms. Pac-Man subsequently used and that the decision played a significant part in for why Pac-Man was the way it was on the 2600.

Yep, you can find Todd's comments on why game turned out way it did at top of this page, if he'd had 8K to start with, it'd been different, plus the 2-player mode ate into that 4K he did have and he was single coder with very strict deadline etc.
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: DreamcastRIP on September 30, 2013, 00:36:53 AM
Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"
Quote from: "DreamcastRIP"
Quote from: "davyK"
...Ms Pacman and Pacman Jr are great though - as are the various home-brews - but those homebrew devs, while very skilled,  have the benefit of decades of technique development to fall back on - poor old Todd!!

Plus, iirc, in Marty and Curt's Atari book it states that Atari wouldn't let Todd use a cartridge with the additional memory capacity that Ms. Pac-Man subsequently used and that the decision played a significant part in for why Pac-Man was the way it was on the 2600.

Yep, you can find Todd's comments on why game turned out way it did at top of this page, if he'd had 8K to start with, it'd been different, plus the 2-player mode ate into that 4K he did have and he was single coder with very strict deadline etc.

My bad - serves me right for not reading previous posts, lol!
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: Rogue Trooper on September 30, 2013, 16:01:47 PM
Horward Scott Warshaw said that even when Atari's 2600 coders were getting amazing things out of hardware (asteriods, Missile Command, Ms Pac-Man etc), Atari's marketing people said they were not good engineers, because they could'nt make the games look like the arcade versions...as he put it:

'People who knew nothing of our tools and technology, who contribute precious little value to the process judged us harshly and pissed us off'.

Quote from Carla Meninsky: 'we'd spend weeks coding up these amazing tricks and getting more out of the machine than anyone had ever though possible and the marketing guy would take one look and ask-'can't you make the ball round?'.....'
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: DreamcastRIP on September 30, 2013, 17:25:22 PM
Quote from: "Rogue Trooper"
Horward Scott Warshaw said that even when Atari's 2600 coders were getting amazing things out of hardware (asteriods, Missile Command, Ms Pac-Man etc), Atari's marketing people said they were not good engineers, because they could'nt make the games look like the arcade versions...as he put it:

'People who knew nothing of our tools and technology, who contribute precious little value to the process judged us harshly and pissed us off'.

Quote from Carla Meninsky: 'we'd spend weeks coding up these amazing tricks and getting more out of the machine than anyone had ever though possible and the marketing guy would take one look and ask-'can't you make the ball round?'.....'

(http://grifjones.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/bill-hicks.jpg)
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: TL on October 11, 2013, 21:23:16 PM
A few more:

Growl on the Mega Drive - one player only!

Double Dragon on the Atari ST - the whole game really, but especially the lack of music!

Galaxian on the Atari 8-bit - very poor conversion of the arcade game indeed with awful sound.
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: davyk on October 13, 2013, 23:21:00 PM
Darious Gaiden and Bubble Bobble on Sega Saturn......no high score save. Inexcusable.

This really.....really....annoyed me - still annoys me. What is the point of score chasing games in which you can't save the high score? Verges on game breaking in these instances.
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: TL on December 03, 2013, 19:52:42 PM
The PC Engine version of Golden Axe, just how did they get this so wrong?

PC Engine Longplay [040] Golden Axe (http://http)
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: Minerals on December 03, 2013, 20:01:28 PM
Oh dear that is awful! Not sure whats worse, the jerky graphics or the tinny sound fx.  :109:
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: TL on December 03, 2013, 20:02:27 PM
Quote from: "Minerals"
Oh dear that is awful! Not sure whats worse, the jerky graphics or the tinny sound fx.  :109:

It's a Super CD-ROM2 game too!
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: TrekMD on December 03, 2013, 20:41:19 PM
Quote from: "The Laird"
Quote from: "Minerals"
Oh dear that is awful! Not sure whats worse, the jerky graphics or the tinny sound fx.  :109:

It's a Super CD-ROM2 game too!

More like a Super Shitty-ROM game!
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: TL on December 03, 2013, 20:42:05 PM
:24:

Very AVGN!
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: TrekMD on December 03, 2013, 20:44:06 PM
Quote from: "The Laird"
:24:  :21:
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: Sokurah on December 03, 2013, 21:31:14 PM
My biggest disappointment in gaming was many years ago. I was playing the first Grand Theft Auto game back when it was new. So, there I was - minding my own business - only running over people who derserved it...and then the game decided to teach me a lesson...

My computer resat and wouldn't start back up again. The entire harddrive was wiped - not a single file on it could be recovered (or even recognized) when I ran recovery software from my secondary computer.

...it was probably just a freak incident, but in my mind the GTA series is now associated with something pretty bad.  :14:
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: TL on December 11, 2013, 21:50:46 PM
Here is another game that massively disappointed me when I played it recently, the Atari XL/XE version of Galaxian. Considering how good the 2600 version of this game was the A8 should have delivered a near arcade perfect translation but it's really poor. It not only plays badly but looks wrong with it's squashed graphics and the sound is an absolute insult to the POKEY chip:

[align=center:1i0uqqw3]Galaxian atari 8 bits (http://http)[/align:1i0uqqw3]
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: TrekMD on December 11, 2013, 21:52:41 PM
Since the 5200 version likely came from that version, I can certainly understand how you feel.  That game is not a good translation and there is no good reason for it to be as bad as it is. 
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: Aaendi on December 26, 2013, 03:24:38 AM
The day I started SNES programming, and realized the slow CPU had to be the most overrated problem in gaming history.  It shattered my respect for the programming community.
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: TrekMD on December 27, 2013, 01:48:28 AM
Quote from: "Aaendi"
The day I started SNES programming, and realized the slow CPU had to be the most overrated problem in gaming history.  It shattered my respect for the programming community.

Nothing like discovering reality for yourself.  I do still hear this mentioned plenty. 
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: ashleybrierley on May 25, 2014, 17:39:47 PM
Sega games on a Nintendo / PlayStation console...come to think of it...Sonic and Mario "teaming up" and being buddies...RIP to the comical rivalry between the 2
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: Ben on May 26, 2014, 01:31:43 AM
My crushing disappointment is all of the fantastic Saturn games that staid in Japan, specifically the RPGs.¬† I actually think the Saturn had a superior RPG library to the PSX, such a shame.¬†  :20:
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: TL on May 26, 2014, 01:32:50 AM
Quote from: "Ben"
My crushing disappointment is all of the fantastic Saturn games that staid in Japan, specifically the RPGs.¬† I actually think the Saturn had a superior RPG library to the PSX, such a shame.¬†  :20:

So true!
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: stevenhowlett on May 28, 2014, 17:13:58 PM
Ghostbusters.

Awesome movie, but massively disappointing game (and that's being kind compared to how I really want to describe it).

So many aspects of the game, which don't bare any reality to the actual movie. Awful game.
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: TL on May 28, 2014, 19:10:17 PM
Quote from: "stevenhowlett"
Ghostbusters.

Awesome movie, but massively disappointing game (and that's being kind compared to how I really want to describe it).

So many aspects of the game, which don't bare any reality to the actual movie. Awful game.

Really? I have always loved Ghostbusters.
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: TrekMD on May 28, 2014, 21:56:36 PM
Quote from: "The Laird"
Quote from: "stevenhowlett"
Ghostbusters.

Awesome movie, but massively disappointing game (and that's being kind compared to how I really want to describe it).

So many aspects of the game, which don't bare any reality to the actual movie. Awful game.

Really? I have always loved Ghostbusters.

Well, what version are you referring to steven?
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: ashleybrierley on July 27, 2014, 17:48:20 PM
Headhunter redemption & Sega quitting as a console manufacturer  :-[
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: TrekMD on July 27, 2014, 17:54:48 PM
Quote from: "ashleybrierley"
Headhunter redemption & Sega quitting as a console manufacturer  :-[

You have to wonder where Sega would be today had they kept on making consoles. 
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: ashleybrierley on July 27, 2014, 18:25:46 PM
Yeah...the thing is, I don't know whether they'd exceed expectations or not, like could they better what Microsoft and Sony are offering? etc.

But I do agree, it would be lovely to have them back as a manufacturer, I find that all their "remakes" or classics collections are just rubbish on new platforms...no matter what they do it's just not the same as the originals.

I wrote some time ago on my blog whether "Sega could/should make a comeback", take a look if you get time and see what you think  8)
Title: Re: Your most crushing disappointments in gaming?
Post by: TrekMD on July 27, 2014, 18:29:26 PM
Quote from: "ashleybrierley"
Yeah...the thing is, I don't know whether they'd exceed expectations or not, like could they better what Microsoft and Sony are offering? etc.

But I do agree, it would be lovely to have them back as a manufacturer, I find that all their "remakes" or classics collections are just rubbish on new platforms...no matter what they do it's just not the same as the originals.

Yes, it is difficult to know.  Had they stayed in the race, they'd likely have something similar to what those two offer. 

Quote from: "ashleybrierley"
I wrote some time ago on my blog whether "Sega could/should make a comeback", take a look if you get time and see what you think  :)